September 10th, 2002 Categories: Camping Tent

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Hi to the group We’re planning a round-the-world trip, and contemplating taking our backpacking tent – one of the stopovers will probably be in LA – is it feasible to actually camp there?  We’ll need somewhere accessible by public transport, not too distant from the airport.  I’ve only actually spent a day or so there before, so don’t really know the place. Many thanks, Fudge

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The most convenient place that I know of by public transportation direct and easy is Yosemite National Park, but it is a full day by bus & train all coordinated by Amtrak.  Technically, it runs from Union Station in LA, but there is certainly public transport from LAX to Union Station (probably Metrolink). Come to think of it, I think Metrolink goes to San Bernadino and there should be local buses from there into the mountain cities (Big Bear, Arrowhead, etc.) I don’t know of any public transport routes to the mountains closest to L.A. though. I hope this is some help to you. If you just want a place to crash for the night, I may be able to look up a couple "domestic" camp grounds closer to the city and they may be able to offer public transport routing.  Not my kind of camping though.  Regardless, if this is what you want, post a message in about 2 weeks and I’ll look for you.  Meanwhile, I’m off on a trip to the Sierra Nevada. Regards doc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hi to the group >We’re planning a round-the-world trip, and contemplating taking our >backpacking tent – one of the stopovers will probably be in LA – is it >feasible to actually camp there?  We’ll need somewhere accessible by public >transport, not too distant from the airport.  I’ve only actually spent a day >or so there before, so don’t really know the place. >Many thanks, >Fudge

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>Hi to the group >We’re planning a round-the-world trip, and contemplating taking our >backpacking tent – one of the stopovers will probably be in LA – is it >feasible to actually camp there?  We’ll need somewhere accessible by public >transport, not too distant from the airport.  I’ve only actually spent a day >or so there before, so don’t really know the place.

Tough call.  There are a couple of RV parks (read "parking lot") within the city limits, but I can’t think of any tent-friendly campgrounds within 3 hours of LAX.  There’s probably something in the Los Angeles Forest north of Pasadena, but I don’t know whether public transit will get you there. I don’t know what the rules on overnighters are, but you could bus to Griffith Park in a reasonable amount of time. To make an adventure out of it, you could take a bus to San Pedro or Long Beach and catch a ferry out to Catalina Island.  There are hiker camps on the island.  http://www.catalina.com/hiking.html has more information. —   Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.

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May 10th, 2000 Categories: Camping Tent

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Jerry

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sorry pal, I don’t post anonymously, I WANT YOU PUNKS to know it’s ME HURTING YOU. j;~}

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>Jerry

No.  It’s Dogman. Dogman

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says… >sorry pal, I don’t post anonymously…

[snip] Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask that you direct your attention to For those of you who don’t want to be bothered with hauling out your web browser, the above link will lead you to: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was >remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report >problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at >Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior >ED. It’s in black and white in her own writing. Explain to me HOWE >chin chuck DOES NOT MEAN SLAP THE DOG, AND I WON’T EVER POST AGAIN. >TODAY YOU CAN KEEP ME OUT OF HERE FOREVER. JUST EXPLAIN HOWE CHIN >CHUCK IS NOT HITTING THE DOG, and I’m HISTORY. J>

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->says… >sorry pal, I don’t post anonymously… >[snip] >Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask that you direct your attention to >For those of you who don’t want to be bothered with hauling out your web >browser, the above link will lead you to: >Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was >remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report >problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at >Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior >ED. It’s in black and white in her own writing. Explain to me HOWE >chin chuck DOES NOT MEAN SLAP THE DOG, AND I WON’T EVER POST AGAIN. >TODAY YOU CAN KEEP ME OUT OF HERE FOREVER. JUST EXPLAIN HOWE CHIN >CHUCK IS NOT HITTING THE DOG, and I’m HISTORY. J>

Geee whiz.  Your pasting is so clumsy that even I cannot help but wonder if you are for real.  You are beyond stupid.  You even surpass Dan H. in the stupid department. Here is one of your posts that I found that might be of interest: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news1.primary.net 955994993 216.87.42.129 (Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:09:53 CDT) Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sex.little.boys Thank you for all of the responses. It’s encouraging to know that there are sympathetic ears out there. I guess I’ve got some mental digesting to do (heh, heh, no pun intended). I will keep the group posted on Petey’s progress. I’m sure we will enjoy camping out and enjoying each other.  It’s so long. Thanks again, Mike

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VERY clever! Your wit is dazzling. Mike

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I see Anonymous is still be as ignorant as usual,  just like jerryboy , all your post consist of others writings and not your own, and just like jerryboy you turn and twist others post around, to suit your own needs. Oh how clever you are, lets start seeing a little originality in your posts But than again that would take some thought, something you lack the ability to do, just like the ability to train dogs Have a nice day, and lets be clever on your RE: POST Dan H – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->says… >>sorry pal, I don’t post anonymously… >[snip] >Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask that you direct your > attention to >For those of you who don’t want to be bothered with hauling out your > web >browser, the above link will lead you to: >>Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address > above. It was >>remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please > report >>problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at >>Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior >>ED. It’s in black and white in her own writing. Explain to me HOWE >>chin chuck DOES NOT MEAN SLAP THE DOG, AND I WON’T EVER POST AGAIN. >>TODAY YOU CAN KEEP ME OUT OF HERE FOREVER. JUST EXPLAIN HOWE CHIN >>CHUCK IS NOT HITTING THE DOG, and I’m HISTORY. J> > Geee whiz.  Your pasting is so clumsy that even I cannot help but > wonder if you are for real.  You are beyond stupid.  You even surpass > Dan H. in the stupid department. > Here is one of your posts that I found that might be of interest: > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII > X-Trace: news1.primary.net 955994993 216.87.42.129 (Mon, 17 Apr 2000 > 13:09:53 CDT) > Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Newsgroups: alt.sex.little.boys > Thank you for all of the responses. It’s encouraging to know that > there are > sympathetic ears out there. I guess I’ve got some mental digesting to > do (heh, > heh, no pun intended). I will keep the group posted on Petey’s > progress. > I’m sure we will enjoy camping out and enjoying each other.  It’s so > long. > Thanks again, > Mike

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>Oh how clever you are, lets start seeing a little originality in your posts >But than again that would take some thought,

[snip] It’s probably a little hard (snicker) for him to come up with original thoughts when he’s cowering in a dark room, afraid to sign his name to his posts and afraid that these feelings he keeps having might mean that he’s not heterosexual. Come on, Mr. HelperStJohnHowedydoody, learn to accept and love who you are, and then maybe you won’t be so angry and afraid. Inner peace is there for you, just reach out and take it. Mike

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February 8th, 2000 Categories: Sports Camping

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We’re getting ready for a road trip in March in Disney World.  I was looking for suggestions for travel boxes to attach to the luggage racks.  Could you pass along any tips or things to look out for, brand names you like, ball park pricing and any good places to buy online. TIA, Regards, Ken 1996 Ford Explorer XLT V8 AWD Ken at I-C dot Net

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I’ve got a Sher-Pak soft top carrier I use with my Sport. I got the small one, but in retrospect, should have gone with the big one. I like the soft carrier for a number of reasons: 1. Better storage. Doesn’t take up a whole lot of room in the garage. 2. When we are at our destination, I can take it off and store it either inside the vehicle or in the room. 3. From what I understand – it has less drag 4. Easier to put on and take off. I don’t need the wife to help me. I have seen other makers now that I spent over a lot for mine. My local Target carries one made by Sampsonite. I really have not looked at that closely though as I already own one. The Sher-Pak is water resistant (I drove through some heavy rain and nothing got wet) and has 4 nylon straps that wrap around the cross bar and heavy duty clips that allow you to tighten the strap. It also has 3 nylon straps the run across the carrier to allow you "smash" it down and keep it as low profile as possible. The one I have has a flap that zips shut and a cover that is attached to the front which is folded back over the whole carrier to give all four sides and the top and extra layer of material. I’ve used mine plenty of times with no problems. As far as buying on-line, I don’t know where to look. I purchased mine from a camping store just off Ohio State’s campus in Columbus, Ohio while up their visiting my parents. Here are some links for similar products: http://www.piggypack.com/ http://www.sportsrack.com/  - look for "Cargo Bags" http://www.hatchbag.com/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We’re getting ready for a road trip in March in Disney World.  I was > looking for suggestions for travel boxes to attach to the luggage > racks.  Could you pass along any tips or things to look out for, brand > names you like, ball park pricing and any good places to buy online. > TIA, > Regards, > Ken > 1996 Ford Explorer XLT V8 AWD > Ken at I-C dot Net

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’ve got a Sher-Pak soft top carrier I use with my Sport. I got the small >one, but in retrospect, should have gone with the big one. I like the soft >carrier for a number of reasons: >1. Better storage. Doesn’t take up a whole lot of room in the garage. >2. When we are at our destination, I can take it off and store it either >inside the vehicle or in the room. >3. From what I understand – it has less drag >4. Easier to put on and take off. I don’t need the wife to help me. >I have seen other makers now that I spent over a lot for mine. My local >Target carries one made by Sampsonite. I really have not looked at that >closely though as I already own one. >The Sher-Pak is water resistant (I drove through some heavy rain and nothing >got wet) and has 4 nylon straps that wrap around the cross bar and heavy >duty clips that allow you to tighten the strap. It also has 3 nylon straps >the run across the carrier to allow you "smash" it down and keep it as low >profile as possible. The one I have has a flap that zips shut and a cover >that is attached to the front which is folded back over the whole carrier to >give all four sides and the top and extra layer of material. I’ve used mine >plenty of times with no problems. >As far as buying on-line, I don’t know where to look. I purchased mine from >a camping store just off Ohio State’s campus in Columbus, Ohio while up >their visiting my parents. >Here are some links for similar products: >http://www.piggypack.com/ >http://www.sportsrack.com/  - look for "Cargo Bags" >http://www.hatchbag.com/

Stephen, Thanks for the info.  You have been a big help. Regards, Ken 1996 Ford Explorer XLT V8 AWD Ken at I-C dot Net

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June 16th, 1999 Categories: Car Camping

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If anyone has been able to read this list let me know I can’t see nothing but jibberish. I asked the author to send me the list but he hasn’t Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I have sold a business and have lots of samples available. >Tents, Backpacks, Water Purifiers, Gore-tex. >All items are new and in box. >Thanks >Content-Type: application/msexcel; > name="CLEARENCE2.xls" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 >Content-Disposition: inline; > filename="CLEARENCE2.xls"

I’d rather be camping in my 1980 Jayco Cardinal 8

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I wouldn’t open a file posted to USENET.  That is the easiest way in the world to infect your computer with a virus.  My advice is get some virus software immediately. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > If anyone has been able to read this list let me know I can’t see > nothing but jibberish. I asked the author to send me the list but he > hasn’t > Bill >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I have sold a business and have lots of samples available. >Tents, Backpacks, Water Purifiers, Gore-tex. >All items are new and in box. >Thanks >Content-Type: application/msexcel; > name="CLEARENCE2.xls" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 >Content-Disposition: inline; > filename="CLEARENCE2.xls" > I’d rather be camping in my > 1980 Jayco Cardinal 8

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It is an Excel file you have to save it and then open it with MS Excel.  It does not have a virus in it that Norton found and it did not have the Excel Micro-virus in it.  It does not however have that good of prices in it in my opion. Davis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->If anyone has been able to read this list let me know I can’t see >nothing but jibberish. I asked the author to send me the list but he >hasn’t >Bill >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I have sold a business and have lots of samples available. >Tents, Backpacks, Water Purifiers, Gore-tex. >All items are new and in box. >Thanks >Content-Type: application/msexcel; > name="CLEARENCE2.xls" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 >Content-Disposition: inline; > filename="CLEARENCE2.xls" >I’d rather be camping in my >1980 Jayco Cardinal 8

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September 24th, 1998 Categories: Camping Gear

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> I would like to get into backcountry canoeing. How does one take up a hobby > like this? Where can I learn the basics? Also I already have a lot of > backpacking equipment will I have to buy new stuff for canoeing?

- Read a good book like: "Roughing it Elegantly", 2nd.ed.1994,   by Patricia Bell, published by Cat’s Paw Press, ISBN 0-9618227-0-8. – Join a local canoe camping club; ours is the Ottawa Y Canoe Camping Club. – Rent or borrow equipment (especially canoe) before you buy.   You can rent gear from a club or outfitter. – Go on an outfitted trip (expensive, but can get you jump started). – Try day trips on your own, then build up to weekend and week-long expeditions.   Start off in a local state or provincial park before heading off into the   wilderness. – Try to get a balance between travelling light but spartan and heavy but   luxurious. You can carry a lot more in a canoe than you can in a backpack,   but portaging it all is a pain. – Master the basics of paddling, portaging, etc. – HAVE FUN !!!

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Come over to git.ce.concrete.canoe  and ask about it.  We’re having a clandestine flatwater/touring canoe group over there (rec.boats.paddle is too full of whitewater stuff for us to hear each other type).   First off, start with backcountry canoeing the same way you’d start with backcountry camping.  In the frontcountry, for practice.  Take a couple of day trips down a mild river or on a lake where you can rent a canoe.  Then take an overnight.  Then figure out what kind of canoe you want. You’ll probably only have to buy a canoe and paddles if you’ve already got backpacking gear.  And some extra plastic trash bags to stow all the stuff in to keep it dry.   If you find you like paddling (and I find it hard to imagine that anyone wouldn’t), you’ll enjoy it just as much or more than backpacking.   >I would like to get into backcountry canoeing. How does one take up a hobby >like this? Where can I learn the basics? Also I already have a lot of >backpacking equipment will I have to buy new stuff for canoeing?

—– I only answer my email every few months, on average.   Patience helps.   http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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everyone ot there.Please write back soon. And let me know who you are,and where you all live.Ok. We are Wade and Doris Matte. We are in Southwest Louisiana. Where are you?Write and let me know ok? All is well here. We went fishing this morning. Caught trees>>>HA> HA. But we had a great time. It is very pretty here on our river. Hope you will write back and tell us about your home. Because we want to know ok? Well write back soon. See Ya.

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Canoeing or Kayaking for several days at a time is hard to beat!  I do it all the time.  Your backpacking stuff will fit right in, just add to it.  Stuff like Filet Mignon, whole potatoes, prepared spaghetti sauce, and wine are but a few additional items you can carry! I’ve learned most of my stuff from our local Canoe and Kayak Club…paddled with a lot of folks thru it, went to safety clinics, etc. Read the Newsgroup "rec.boats.paddle". Always wear your PFD! – Gary, Spokane Falls WA –

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>Hi Armir, >Im a German citizen. Many times a year around US (unfortenely  work). Im a >crazy flatwather  kayaker. I enjoy to buy and read magazines like

"Crazy flatwater kayaker"?  I must be crazy too.  I do seem to find myself in the company of many canoers on trips.   Your english is workable, by the way.

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I do not know where you live, but I learned in all the small local brooks in my area.  Most people are unaware of the what we have in our own back yards. I am not talking wilderness,  this was 40 miles from Boston.  Your local brooks can take you places that very few have ever seen.  I all so caught the best fish of any place I’ve been and seen wild life that I did not know we had.  Like a Fish Hawk with a 4 foot wing span! Check it out! http://members.tripod.com/~ColloidalSilver/index-2.html

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I would like to get into backcountry canoeing. How does one take up a hobby like this? Where can I learn the basics? Also I already have a lot of backpacking equipment will I have to buy new stuff for canoeing? — Amir Lopatin www.cs.brown.edu/people/amir

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I’ve been canoeing since I was a little kid so I don’t know where to go to learn how, but the only difference between my hiking and canoeing stuff is a few large waterproof stuff sacks, oh I almost forgot the most important thing, the coolers.  It’s so nice being four or five days into a trip and still having fresh bacon             Bobby     -… — -… -… -.–

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It is true.  Get a boat, pile your stuff in, and paddle across the lake.  Maybe grab one of the old canoe books from the library and learn the strokes.  The rest is up to you.  Teach yourself.  It’s rewarding. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’ve been canoeing since I was a little kid so I don’t know where to go to >learn how, but the only difference between my hiking and canoeing stuff is a >few large waterproof stuff sacks, oh I almost forgot the most important >thing, the coolers.  It’s so nice being four or five days into a trip and >still having fresh bacon >            Bobby >    -… — -… -… -.– >I would like to get into backcountry canoeing. How does one take up a hobby >like this? Where can I learn the basics? Also I already have a lot of >backpacking equipment will I have to buy new stuff for canoeing? >– >Amir Lopatin >www.cs.brown.edu/people/amir

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> I would like to get into backcountry canoeing. How does one take up a hobby > like this? Where can I learn the basics? Also I already have a lot of > backpacking equipment will I have to buy new stuff for canoeing? > — > Amir Lopatin > www.cs.brown.edu/people/amir

You could try to ask questions in rec.boats.paddle. There are also numerous canoe clubs, groups, etc. that can help by pointing you in the right direction, providing trips for novices, etc. The only thing you have to know about wilderness tripping are your limits.  (or the limits of the weakest member of your group)  If you exceed them, you can face very dire consequences.  The rewards can however, make up for the possible risks. Whatever you decide, be safe!! Rick — CANOE NORTH! Rick Etter http://www.bright.net/~retter Step outside.  The graphics are AMAZING!!

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    Forty years ago the American Red Cross published the most authoritative and comprehensive manual on canoeing that I have ever seen.  I have looked at many books on canoeing since that date and have never found the wealth of material contained in that manual.     Insofar as canoe camping my worst hours were spent in an overloaded canoe in a storm on Mooslookmeguntic Lake in Maine.  The best advice I can give is don’t overload your canoe.

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Hi Armir, Im a German citizen. Many times a year around US (unfortenely  work). Im a crazy flatwather  kayaker. I enjoy to buy and read magazines like /Paddler/ Sea-Kayaker/ Kayak Touring/ Canoe Journal/ Kanawa/ Canoe & Kayak or Explore. Check those at Barnes and Nobles, Books a Million or so, out. All Information you need. The pop, better famous legend is Bill Mason. He

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April 28th, 1998 Categories: Car Camping

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> Sandunes & Broncs > Our family run business offers horseback riding and camping on the eastern > Alberta prairie.  All ages!  All levels of horse experience! > Take a ride with us and let the wind carry your cares away. > For more information, check out our website at: > http://www.telusplanet.net/public/sandunes/ > Or call us at: 403-857-2331

what breed

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Sandunes & Broncs Our family run business offers horseback riding and camping on the eastern Alberta prairie.  All ages!  All levels of horse experience! Take a ride with us and let the wind carry your cares away. For more information, check out our website at: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/sandunes/ Or call us at: 403-857-2331

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March 7th, 1998 Categories: Car Camping

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There doesn’t seem to be a rec.travel.pacific-islands, so I’m posting here instead: HI.. I posted here about 6 months ago asking when would be a good time to go to FP, given el-nino and all. I mentioned either january or april. I was advised to wait for april. Well, april is coming up fast. Is the worst over, and is the weather a bit better out there? My wife and I are thinking of spending about one month from mid april to mid may in FP. We will bring our bicycles, and try to see as much as possible. Because we are on bikes, we won’t be able to fly between islands, but instead will travel by cargo boats. We would like to see some of the society islands (probably a side trip to bora bora, and a bit of time in tahiti), but the main part of our trip we would like to spend in the tuamotus and the marquesas. Is sea transportation still good enough to reach the marquesas and the tuamotus by boat without spending all our time travelling, or risking being stuck for weeks in one place? Hope anyone has advice on these trip plans. We have the Lonely Planet guide which lists a few shipping companies. Are there more than the ones listed there? If the ones listed there are all there is, it sounds like we will need to plan schedules pretty careful once we get to papeete in order to see what we want to see in 4 weeks. Also, do you think bringing our bicycles is a good idea? And how about camping? the LP guide lists camping a few places, but doesn’t really mention it for the tuamotus or the marquesas. We are on a budget (not sure how small, but it would be nice to be at or below $100/day for the two of us), so any night we can pitch a tent is good. Is it possible to find places to camp in the tuamotus for free (say bike up the beach for 5 km until you are out of civilization, and just pitch the tent there)? Or is it possible to have someone drop us off (for a small fee) on a deserted motu for a day or two and then pick us up? As you may see, we are more interested in exploring the raw undisturbed portions of FP by hiking and biking, and the history and relics of past civilizations in the marquesas than we are in big hotels (couldn’t afford those anyway) and diving trips (though we probably will at least do some snorkeling).                                  —anders —  Center for Space Physics    http://buspace.bu.edu/EPG/anders/  Boston University, USA      Fax +1 617 353 6463 —  Center for Space Physics    http://buspace.bu.edu/EPG/anders/  Boston University, USA      Fax +1 617 353 6463

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HI.. I posted here about 6 months ago asking when would be a good time to go to FP, given el-nino and all. I mentioned either january or april. I was advised to wait for april. Well, april is coming up fast. Is the worst over, and is the weather a bit better out there? My wife and I are thinking of spending about one month from mid april to mid may in FP. We will bring our bicycles, and try to see as much as possible. Because we are on bikes, we won’t be able to fly between islands, but instead will travel by cargo boats. We would like to see some of the society islands (probably a side trip to bora bora, and a bit of time in tahiti), but the main part of our trip we would like to spend in the tuamotus and the marquesas. Is sea transportation still good enough to reach the marquesas and the tuamotus by boat without spending all our time travelling, or risking being stuck for weeks in one place? Hope anyone has advice on these trip plans. We have the Lonely Planet guide which lists a few shipping companies. Are there more than the ones listed there? If the ones listed there are all there is, it sounds like we will need to plan schedules pretty careful once we get to papeete in order to see what we want to see in 4 weeks. Also, do you think bringing our bicycles is a good idea? And how about camping? the LP guide lists camping a few places, but doesn’t really mention it for the tuamotus or the marquesas. We are on a budget (not sure how small, but it would be nice to be at or below $100/day for the two of us), so any night we can pitch a tent is good. Is it possible to find places to camp in the tuamotus for free (say bike up the beach for 5 km until you are out of civilization, and just pitch the tent there)? Or is it possible to have someone drop us off (for a small fee) on a deserted motu for a day or two and then pick us up? As you may see, we are more interested in exploring the raw undisturbed portions of FP by hiking and biking, and the history and relics of past civilizations in the marquesas than we are in big hotels (couldn’t afford those anyway) and diving trips (though we probably will at least do some snorkeling).                                  —anders —  Center for Space Physics    http://buspace.bu.edu/EPG/anders/  Boston University, USA      Fax +1 617 353 6463 —  Center for Space Physics    http://buspace.bu.edu/EPG/anders/  Boston University, USA      Fax +1 617 353 6463

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August 4th, 1997 Categories: Car Camping

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Harrrgh, harrrgh! Think I’ve got the answer, they must be the fifth lesser cousin removed from the Gran daddy of them all, namely the Scottish Midge.  <Leaves stage left in screaming terror, to fetch garlic and paraffin (kerosene) dip, big mallet, two sweaters, waders, long woolly ears flaps and a can  of  "Grans Homebrewed Patent Fart Gas">. Please kindly don’t ban this contributor until you’ve heard the rest of his – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> At the risk of sounding like a total idiot, what are chiggers and how do > you know if you have them.  I live in Michigan and have heard of them all > my life but I don’t  know what they are.  If someone would be so kind as > to enlighten me It will be greatly appreciated.  But please, don’t try to > tell me a snipe hunting story!<G> > Thanks > ALadyolafs…Tammy > …and miles to go before I sleep. >          —Robert Frost > I am sure you don’t want to meet any.  I live in the U.P. of Michigan > and have never run in to any in Michigan but I remember a trip to > Arkansas mainly from the chigger experience.  I have never seen one > because they are so small they are all but invisible to the naked eye > but there results are quite obvious.  They burrow into your skin and > live there leaving itching irritated bumps that sometime become > infected.  They itch more than any bug we have in Michigan that I know > of and are much more persistent. I don’t want to say more about what > part of the anatomy they prefer other than to say they love warm damp > areas ick. > — > http://members.tripod.com/~MichaelMiller/http_Wilderness_Furnishings_

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> At the risk of sounding like a total idiot, what are chiggers and how do > you know if you have them.  I live in Michigan and have heard of them all > my life but I don’t  know what they are.  If someone would be so kind as > to enlighten me It will be greatly appreciated.  But please, don’t try to > tell me a snipe hunting story!<G> > Thanks > ALadyolafs…Tammy > …and miles to go before I sleep. >          —Robert Frost

I am sure you don’t want to meet any.  I live in the U.P. of Michigan and have never run in to any in Michigan but I remember a trip to Arkansas mainly from the chigger experience.  I have never seen one because they are so small they are all but invisible to the naked eye but there results are quite obvious.  They burrow into your skin and live there leaving itching irritated bumps that sometime become infected.  They itch more than any bug we have in Michigan that I know of and are much more persistent. I don’t want to say more about what part of the anatomy they prefer other than to say they love warm damp areas ick. — http://members.tripod.com/~MichaelMiller/http_Wilderness_Furnishings_

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Sorry T-man…there’s not much you can do ’bout chiggerzzz! They are >sometimes put off by insect repellants, but more often than not don’t >care what you smell like. They do love tight warm places though, so >the elastic bands, waistbands, leg holes, socks, bra straps, etc. seem >to be the worst hit (and the worst to endure later!). The only thing >I’ve ever been able to do about them is to keep my clothing as loose >as possible, make sure I don’t sit on any "really really old" logs, >not climb trees without that bottle of DEET, and I try to get immersed >in water at least once a day. It won’t help for any that have already >burrowed, but other "hangers on" might move on to warmer places. One >thing, DON’T SCRATCH! They’ll move on over a half inch and bite you >again. I’ve tried the topicals they sell to "suffocate" the chiggers >in their welts, but they don’t seem to work on me (though my friends >swear by them). Just think of them as a reminder that, even if the >cockroaches get wiped out in the next worldwide disaster, there will >always be some insect around to give all the other creatures the >willies! >Hello fellow campers! >Returned from our first official camping trip with our newly seasoned cast >iron skillet. (thanks for the info everyone)  I also returned with about a >billon-thousand chigger bites.  Can anyone give me information on what to >do about these nasty little creatures (that I didn’t even see) and the >itching welts they leave behind.  I would appreciate any information >(preferrably helpful) that you could give me. >Thanks >t-man

 Bad time to go camping this is chigger weather. Not much you can do to keep them off. Physical barriers seem to work best. Painting the wound with clear nail polish (any color works) seems to be best treatment I,ve found. Consumption of alcohol will help you sleep at night.

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|> >> > |> >> > Try chlorax diluted with water 3 to 1. A soak bath with calgon water softener |> >> > and chlorox is said to help. Never tried it myself. Just heard about it. |> >> > |> >> > |> |> I used Chlorox many years ago for chigger butes. I added a small amount – like half a cup of water – to a short bath (maybe three inches deep) and splashed it on the bites. Seems I remember it worked.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Try chlorax diluted with water 3 to 1. A soak bath with calgon water softener > and chlorox is said to help. Never tried it myself. Just heard about it. > I just recieved the September/October issue of Organic Gardening > magazine- One of the feedback letters concerns chiggers- Myrtle Slikard > of Jackson, MO soaks in saltwater (1/2 cup to a tub(?) of water) whenever > she comes inside. 5-10 minutes should do it. I havn’t tried it- no > chiggers for a few years now! Perhaps wiping with a bandana soaked in > salty water would kill the little buggers?! Oops- I meant to say > encourage the diminutive gentle creatures to seek a different source of > enrichment!

I’ve heard that you can mix a shot of whiskey with some sand and rub it on the affected parts. The chiggers get drunk and throw the sand at each other knocking each other unconcious!

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>  > Consumption of alcohol will help you sleep at night.

And when you wake up in the morning and still find your body covered with them, I found that you can go home, get naked and bathe your WHOLE self, or your camp mate together, in rubbing alcohol using a wash cloth.  It seems to kill them and it’s fun trying to find them all.  You’ll be surprised to see where they hide.  And too, in the hot and muggy southern summers it feels pretty darn cool to be covered with rubbing alcohol, especially when you do it from of an airconditioner with it blow right on you..  For everything but that reason is why I’m now a forester in WA and not east TX anymore.   Jim

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Chiggers are not fun… try listerine it worked for me . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello fellow campers! > Returned from our first official camping trip with our newly seasoned cast > iron skillet. (thanks for the info everyone)  I also returned with about a > billon-thousand chigger bites.  Can anyone give me information on what to > do about these nasty little creatures (that I didn’t even see) and the > itching welts they leave behind.  I would appreciate any information > (preferrably helpful) that you could give me. > Thanks > t-man

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> The thing that I’ve always done was put a dab of nail polish on the bite. > This will cut off the air supply of the chigger.  Try not to scratch the > itchy bite because you’ll only make it worse.  When you go out into the > woods, a good liberal amount of DEET will help to keep most bugs off of > you.  However, when hiking you need to decide your path a few yards before > you actually walk it.  You can’t just go tramping through thick brush and > handling branches.  These things are filled with bugs and they will > happily jump on you.  I think that tics literally wait on overhanging tree > limbs ans the minute they see a movement below them, they jump hoping to > land on a host underneath.

Cool suggestion about the nail polish. I had heard that before but forgotten it. Thanks for the reminder. However, concerning ticks…  from where they jump on you depends on where you are! Here I am in Southern California… large field by the ocean… my dog and I hike there a lot.  LOTS of ticks in the GRASS!!!  I find them mostly on my pants legs and yet rarely on my dog! I stick to the paths… the dog goes traipsing wherever her heart leads.  GO FIGURE!  Part of that MAY be that she’s on Frontline (anti-flea/tick drops) which, btw I heartily recommend! that seemed to prefer hiding out in trees.  Didn’t have a dog then so I can’t offer that example.  However, every time I ever had a tick on me in those areas… I would find them on my  shoulders, neck or head.

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> Try chlorax diluted with water 3 to 1. A soak bath with calgon water softener > and chlorox is said to help. Never tried it myself. Just heard about it. > I just recieved the September/October issue of Organic Gardening

magazine- One of the feedback letters concerns chiggers- Myrtle Slikard of Jackson, MO soaks in saltwater (1/2 cup to a tub(?) of water) whenever she comes inside. 5-10 minutes should do it. I havn’t tried it- no chiggers for a few years now! Perhaps wiping with a bandana soaked in salty water would kill the little buggers?! Oops- I meant to say encourage the diminutive gentle creatures to seek a different source of enrichment!

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Try chlorax diluted with water 3 to 1. A soak bath with calgon water softener and chlorox is said to help. Never tried it myself. Just heard about it.

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: Hello fellow campers! : Returned from our first official camping trip with our newly seasoned cast : iron skillet. (thanks for the info everyone)  I also returned with about a : billon-thousand chigger bites.  Can anyone give me information on what to : do about these nasty little creatures (that I didn’t even see) and the : itching welts they leave behind.  I would appreciate any information : (preferrably helpful) that you could give me. The thing that I’ve always done was put a dab of nail polish on the bite. This will cut off the air supply of the chigger.  Try not to scratch the itchy bite because you’ll only make it worse.  When you go out into the woods, a good liberal amount of DEET will help to keep most bugs off of you.  However, when hiking you need to decide your path a few yards before you actually walk it.  You can’t just go tramping through thick brush and handling branches.  These things are filled with bugs and they will happily jump on you.  I think that tics literally wait on overhanging tree limbs ans the minute they see a movement below them, they jump hoping to land on a host underneath.  

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THIS does work! use  nail polish they can not  breath and  it kills them and the bite .. I love the CONSUMPTION of ALcohol will help you sleep HAHAHA Sue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  Bad time to go camping this is chigger weather. Not much you can do to > keep them off. Physical barriers seem to work best. Painting the wound > with clear nail polish (any color works) seems to be best treatment I,ve > found. Consumption of alcohol will help you sleep at night.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello fellow campers! > Returned from our first official camping trip with our newly seasoned cast > iron skillet. (thanks for the info everyone)  I also returned with about a > billon-thousand chigger bites.  Can anyone give me information on what to > do about these nasty little creatures (that I didn’t even see) and the > itching welts they leave behind.  I would appreciate any information > (preferrably helpful) that you could give me. > Thanks > t-man >Cover the welt with nail polish.  (That sounds really stupid, eh?)  I >guess it suffocates them; whatever it does, it works.  No idea on how to >beat them before they bite, however.

        we use Absorbine jr.  liniment.  apply generously and allow to dry. it only smells bad for a little while. :-)         melvalena

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> Hello fellow campers! > Returned from our first official camping trip with our newly seasoned cast > iron skillet. (thanks for the info everyone)  I also returned with about a > billon-thousand chigger bites.  Can anyone give me information on what to > do about these nasty little creatures (that I didn’t even see) and the > itching welts they leave behind.  I would appreciate any information > (preferrably helpful) that you could give me. > Thanks > t-man

  Sorry about your woes.Ummm, down here in South Alabama,these li’l buggers are known as redbugs,and yes the cure of choice is clear fingernail polish. Sting kill swabs may help, as will any anti-itch medication sold cross the counter. Try not to scratch! The cycle just keeps on, and etc…   Remember these redbugs also abide in trees and shrubs.You REALLY want to get wrapped up? Grab a hand full of Spanish Moss in the late summer!   My grandmother(remember Foxfire?)used to swear by Sulphur(from the druggist at the old Rexall).She would mix a quarter teaspoon or so with molasses. As we began to sweat the sulphur,redbugs,ticks mosquitos,gnats,nothing seemed to bother us…Then again,the dogs, cats, cows, neighbors,even grandma, wouldn’t let us come around either…What a smell,but it worked, no bugs! (NOT to try if you’re allergic to Sulfa drugs)…:-)

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The only thing I know to prevent them is sulpher in your socks.  I only use that when picking berrys.  I normally don’t get them otherwise. When I do. I use fingernail polish to kill them. It works I swear.   P.S. the sulpher trick was learned from my 92 year old granny ( she is never wrong :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh yeah, another friend of mine swears that super-chlorinated hot tubs > work really well. I don’t have access to one, but I have a sneaking > suspicion it’s that bottle of wine beside her doing all the work. If > you’ve got one, you might give it a whirl though…can’t hurt. >Hello fellow campers! >Returned from our first official camping trip with our newly seasoned cast >iron skillet. (thanks for the info everyone)  I also returned with about a >billon-thousand chigger bites.  Can anyone give me information on what to >do about these nasty little creatures (that I didn’t even see) and the >itching welts they leave behind.  I would appreciate any information >(preferrably helpful) that you could give me. >Thanks >t-man

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>Hello fellow campers! >Returned from our first official camping trip with our newly seasoned cast >iron skillet. (thanks for the info everyone)  I also returned with about a >billon-thousand chigger bites.  Can anyone give me information on what to >do about these nasty little creatures (that I didn’t even see) and the >itching welts they leave behind.  I would appreciate any information >(preferrably helpful) that you could give me.

An ounce of prevention…   There’s a liquid preparation called CHIGG AWAY that my wife and I use. It’s marketed by Pierson Laboratories PO Box 157 Saluda, NC  28773 telephone 704-749-9813    fax 704-749-9249 It’s a small company, and they don’t have a web site or e-mail.  If you want to send them a message, e-mail me, and I’ll forward it via their fax line.  (It’s a local call for me.)

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Try tea tree oil, it will cure anything.  Use it on fungus (athelete’s foot), works like a dream., will stop the itching, too. Diane

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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It helps to prevent chigger infestation if you can.  It may sound stupid (and look that way) but, wearing flea and tick collars around your ankles will help keep them off while walking through grass.  I have also had people who fish a lot of farm ponds tell me that the tags that they use to keep insects off of livestock will work when clipped on your boot or pant leg.  I have a family member who visits from Arizona every summer who gets ate up by chiggers every year because he will not try to do anything to prevent getting them in the first place. > Hello fellow campers! > Returned from our first official camping trip with our newly seasoned cast > iron skillet. (thanks for the info everyone)  I also returned with about a > billon-thousand chigger bites.  Can anyone give me information on what to > do about these nasty little creatures (that I didn’t even see) and the > itching welts they leave behind.  I would appreciate any information > (preferrably helpful) that you could give me. > Thanks > t-man

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I have found that Chiggerex(SP?) works the best.  It comes in a small screw top can,~size of a film cannister, and is a lotion.  This can be found at walmart.  Stops the itching very well. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello fellow campers! > Returned from our first official camping trip with our newly seasoned cast > iron skillet. (thanks for the info everyone)  I also returned with about a > billon-thousand chigger bites.  Can anyone give me information on what to > do about these nasty little creatures (that I didn’t even see) and the > itching welts they leave behind.  I would appreciate any information > (preferrably helpful) that you could give me. > Thanks > t-man

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Hello fellow campers! Returned from our first official camping trip with our newly seasoned cast iron skillet. (thanks for the info everyone)  I also returned with about a billon-thousand chigger bites.  Can anyone give me information on what to do about these nasty little creatures (that I didn’t even see) and the itching welts they leave behind.  I would appreciate any information (preferrably helpful) that you could give me. Thanks t-man

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Oh yeah, another friend of mine swears that super-chlorinated hot tubs work really well. I don’t have access to one, but I have a sneaking suspicion it’s that bottle of wine beside her doing all the work. If you’ve got one, you might give it a whirl though…can’t hurt. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello fellow campers! >Returned from our first official camping trip with our newly seasoned cast >iron skillet. (thanks for the info everyone)  I also returned with about a >billon-thousand chigger bites.  Can anyone give me information on what to >do about these nasty little creatures (that I didn’t even see) and the >itching welts they leave behind.  I would appreciate any information >(preferrably helpful) that you could give me. >Thanks >t-man

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Sorry T-man…there’s not much you can do ’bout chiggerzzz! They are sometimes put off by insect repellants, but more often than not don’t care what you smell like. They do love tight warm places though, so the elastic bands, waistbands, leg holes, socks, bra straps, etc. seem to be the worst hit (and the worst to endure later!). The only thing I’ve ever been able to do about them is to keep my clothing as loose as possible, make sure I don’t sit on any "really really old" logs, not climb trees without that bottle of DEET, and I try to get immersed in water at least once a day. It won’t help for any that have already burrowed, but other "hangers on" might move on to warmer places. One thing, DON’T SCRATCH! They’ll move on over a half inch and bite you again. I’ve tried the topicals they sell to "suffocate" the chiggers in their welts, but they don’t seem to work on me (though my friends swear by them). Just think of them as a reminder that, even if the cockroaches get wiped out in the next worldwide disaster, there will always be some insect around to give all the other creatures the willies! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello fellow campers! >Returned from our first official camping trip with our newly seasoned cast >iron skillet. (thanks for the info everyone)  I also returned with about a >billon-thousand chigger bites.  Can anyone give me information on what to >do about these nasty little creatures (that I didn’t even see) and the >itching welts they leave behind.  I would appreciate any information >(preferrably helpful) that you could give me. >Thanks >t-man

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I’ve heard that putting clear nail polish directly on the welt will kill them right away but the itching continues.  Two thoughts to control itching: Benadryl or Calamine lotion,  Also if you can’t stop scratching put a piece of Scotch tape over the welt to prevent the redness from scratching.  Good luck!

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> Hello fellow campers! > Returned from our first official camping trip with our newly seasoned cast > iron skillet. (thanks for the info everyone)  I also returned with about a > billon-thousand chigger bites.  Can anyone give me information on what to > do about these nasty little creatures (that I didn’t even see) and the > itching welts they leave behind.  I would appreciate any information > (preferrably helpful) that you could give me. > Thanks > t-man

Cover the welt with nail polish.  (That sounds really stupid, eh?)  I guess it suffocates them; whatever it does, it works.  No idea on how to beat them before they bite, however.

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April 8th, 1996 Categories: Camping Trailer

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Is anybody out there towing a 1200 lbs camper (or a boat) with a 1.6 liter 4 cylinder?  What’s it like? Any problems with hills? [up or down]?

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> Is anybody out there towing a 1200 lbs camper (or a > boat) with a 1.6 liter 4 cylinder?  What’s it like? > Any problems with hills? [up or down]?

DON’T——TOO MUCH FOR THE UNIT TO HALL GET A V6” I HALL A 2800# UNIT WITH A RANGER V6 4.0 MANUAL AUTO’S ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION—- YOU WILL BE FAR BETTER OFF WITH A BIGGER POWER UNIT I HALL MY TRAILER ALL AROUND THE MOUNTIAN AREAS OF UTAH AND YOU NEED MORE POWER THAN A 4.. WILL GIVE YOU

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: > : > Is anybody out there towing a 1200 lbs camper (or a : > boat) with a 1.6 liter 4 cylinder?  What’s it like? : > Any problems with hills? [up or down]? : : : DON’T——TOO MUCH FOR THE UNIT TO HALL : GET A V6” I HALL A 2800# UNIT WITH A RANGER V6 4.0 MANUAL : AUTO’S ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION—- : YOU WILL BE FAR BETTER OFF WITH A BIGGER POWER UNIT : I HALL MY TRAILER ALL AROUND THE MOUNTIAN AREAS OF UTAH : AND YOU NEED MORE POWER THAN A 4.. WILL GIVE YOU : I agree.  Don’t.  I pulled my 1200 lb camper years ago with a VW 412 and altho it was OK 90% of the time, I got into a coupla situations where I almost did not get out of due to the lack of tourque.  & 1.6 liter 4 is small.  Go with 6 cyl. or bigger.  Good luck. Jack

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>> Is anybody out there towing a 1200 lbs camper (or a > boat) with a 1.6 liter 4 cylinder?  What’s it like? > Any problems with hills? [up or down]? >DON’T——TOO MUCH FOR THE UNIT TO HALL >GET A V6” I HALL A 2800# UNIT WITH A RANGER V6 4.0 MANUAL >AUTO’S ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION—- >YOU WILL BE FAR BETTER OFF WITH A BIGGER POWER UNIT >I HALL MY TRAILER ALL AROUND THE MOUNTIAN AREAS OF UTAH >AND YOU NEED MORE POWER THAN A 4.. WILL GIVE YOU

Really a friend and myself use to haul a 2300# trailer behind a 4 (four) cylinder toyota pickum up truck.  It was a little slow in the mountains of PA. but we had no big troubles. P.S. the number of cylinders is irrelevant back in 1981 I had an army truck with a straight six that would out pull any production model (ie. GM ford etc.) eight, ten or twelve cylinder it was a huge cylinders the size of 2liter bottles. Jac

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: >> : >> Is anybody out there towing a 1200 lbs camper (or a : >> boat) with a 1.6 liter 4 cylinder?  What’s it like? : >> Any problems with hills? [up or down]? : >DON’T——TOO MUCH FOR THE UNIT TO HALL : >GET A V6” I HALL A 2800# UNIT WITH A RANGER V6 4.0 MANUAL : >AUTO’S ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION—- : >YOU WILL BE FAR BETTER OFF WITH A BIGGER POWER UNIT : >I HALL MY TRAILER ALL AROUND THE MOUNTIAN AREAS OF UTAH : >AND YOU NEED MORE POWER THAN A 4.. WILL GIVE YOU : Really a friend and myself use to haul a 2300# trailer behind a 4 (four) : cylinder toyota pickum up truck.  It was a little slow in the mountains of PA. : but we had no big troubles. : P.S. the number of cylinders is irrelevant back in 1981 I had an army truck : with a straight six that would out pull any production model (ie. GM ford : etc.) eight, ten or twelve cylinder it was a huge cylinders the size of 2liter : bottles. : Jac You need either power or LOW gears.  I bet the army truck had some really low gears.  That’s not likely to happen unless you get a 4WD with low range. Then you could haul a large trailer up a pretty good hill. HOWEVER, you could only do it slowly.  Where you would be in trouble is hauling up a steep grade on a good highway.  Picture yourself going 20mph, engine racing, in a low gear while all those v8 full size trucks are passing you at 65 mph.  Not pretty.

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>Also, manual transmissions, in small cars and trucks (anything short >of 2 tons or so) are awful for towing.  Check around.  The reason >almost all new trucks with towing packages are AUTOMATICS is that >manual transmissions burn clutches up in no time when pulling heavy >loads.  Not to mention safety…manuals can be a real bitch on a slick >boat ramp, or pulling off from an incline at a red light.  Autos have >hydrostatic clutches that avoid the problem.  

   But don’t forget that unless you have an automatic transmission fluid cooler installed, you could cook your tranny fluid and your tranny by towing something heavy in an automatic. The tranny coolers which come with the car (the two small tubes which go in and out of the radiator) are not up to the job of heavy towing.

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>>DON’T——TOO MUCH FOR THE UNIT TO HALL >GET A V6” I HALL A 2800# UNIT WITH A RANGER V6 4.0 MANUAL >AUTO’S ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION—- >YOU WILL BE FAR BETTER OFF WITH A BIGGER POWER UNIT >I HALL MY TRAILER ALL AROUND THE MOUNTIAN AREAS OF UTAH >AND YOU NEED MORE POWER THAN A 4.. WILL GIVE YOU >Really a friend and myself use to haul a 2300# trailer behind a 4 (four) >cylinder toyota pickum up truck.  It was a little slow in the mountains of PA. >but we had no big troubles.

  Yes, it was probably a 2.4 or so, a lot bigger the a 1.6.  The current 4cy from Ford/Mazda/Nissan/etc mini-trucks are all rated at between 2000 and 3500 lbs. While the V6’s come in at up to 5000 lbs. >P.S. the number of cylinders is irrelevant back in 1981 I had an army truck >with a straight six that would out pull any production model (ie. GM ford >etc.) eight, ten or twelve cylinder it was a huge cylinders the size of 2liter >bottles.

  A friend has a farm vehicle (I don’t think you could call his custom built  ’thingy’ anything else) with a 4 cy, it has about 300 cu in, but it’s only four cylinder — RV and Camping FAQ <http://kendaco.telebyte.net/rlindber/rv/ They call it "Surf’n the Net" ’cause you can wipe out so easy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Is anybody out there towing a 1200 lbs camper (or a > boat) with a 1.6 liter 4 cylinder?  What’s it like? > Any problems with hills? [up or down]? >DON’T——TOO MUCH FOR THE UNIT TO HALL >GET A V6” I HALL A 2800# UNIT WITH A RANGER V6 4.0 MANUAL >AUTO’S ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION—- >YOU WILL BE FAR BETTER OFF WITH A BIGGER POWER UNIT >I HALL MY TRAILER ALL AROUND THE MOUNTIAN AREAS OF UTAH >AND YOU NEED MORE POWER THAN A 4.. WILL GIVE YOU

1200 pounds won’t be pleasant, but I have towed a 1400# boat with a Toyota 4wd 4 cylinder for years.  Depends on the output of the motor and what vehicle it’s in.   Also, manual transmissions, in small cars and trucks (anything short of 2 tons or so) are awful for towing.  Check around.  The reason almost all new trucks with towing packages are AUTOMATICS is that manual transmissions burn clutches up in no time when pulling heavy loads.  Not to mention safety…manuals can be a real bitch on a slick boat ramp, or pulling off from an incline at a red light.  Autos have hydrostatic clutches that avoid the problem.   Lastly I have driven the 4.0 in a Ranger…it’s physical size is somewhat misleading.  It’s output is a good deal less than similarly sized v6’s (Chevy’s 4.3 puts out nearly 40 more horsepower and 25 more foot pounds of torque.)  Pulling the same trailer my roomate’s 4.0 Jeep Cherokee does much better.  Heck, my fiancee’s Nissan Pathfinder with it’s puny little 158 horespower 3.0 does almost as well.  All are autos.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >: >> >: >> Is anybody out there towing a 1200 lbs camper (or a >: >> boat) with a 1.6 liter 4 cylinder?  What’s it like? >: >> Any problems with hills? [up or down]? >: >DON’T——TOO MUCH FOR THE UNIT TO HALL >: >GET A V6” I HALL A 2800# UNIT WITH A RANGER V6 4.0 MANUAL >: >AUTO’S ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION—- >: >YOU WILL BE FAR BETTER OFF WITH A BIGGER POWER UNIT >: >I HALL MY TRAILER ALL AROUND THE MOUNTIAN AREAS OF UTAH >: >AND YOU NEED MORE POWER THAN A 4.. WILL GIVE YOU >: Really a friend and myself use to haul a 2300# trailer behind a 4 (four) >: cylinder toyota pickum up truck.  It was a little slow in the mountains of PA. >: but we had no big troubles. >: P.S. the number of cylinders is irrelevant back in 1981 I had an army truck >: with a straight six that would out pull any production model (ie. GM ford >: etc.) eight, ten or twelve cylinder it was a huge cylinders the size of 2liter >: bottles. >: Jac >You need either power or LOW gears.  I bet the army truck had some >really low gears.  That’s not likely to happen unless you get a 4WD with >low range. Then you could haul a large trailer up a pretty good hill. >HOWEVER, you could only do it slowly.  Where you would be in trouble is >hauling up a steep grade on a good highway.  Picture yourself going 20mph, >engine racing, in a low gear while all those v8 full size trucks are >passing you at 65 mph.  Not pretty.

Actually the four cylinder Toy pulled better than my full size GMC Jimmy w/305 V8 only thing is the Jimmy handles better with the weight.  And stops without the need for prayers. If I remember correctly it was either 23 or 28 gears somewhere around a 7-8 liter experimental engine it sucked when it finaly died no parts to be had and we spent a good amount of time looking.  But then a gain the army use to do alot of experiments with trucks and etc… Jac ;)

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January 2nd, 1996 Categories: Camping Gear

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: hi Folks, : Does anyone know if Frostline (or any outdoor gear kit manufacturer) is : still in business?  I’ve not seen their ads for quite awhile, but want to : acquire a sleeping bag kit for a friend. Frostline is still in business at 1-800-548-7872 or write to Frostline Kits, 2525 River Rd., Grand Junction, CO  81505-2525 Sue

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>> Does anyone know if Frostline (or any outdoor gear kit manufacturer) > is still in business?  I’ve not seen their ads for quite awhile, but > want to acquire a sleeping bag kit for a friend.

Wow, this post brought back such memories!  More than 25 yrs ago, when I was a preteen, I was just getting interested in sewing and camping.  Frostline was the perfect combo. Their down vest kit was absolutely impossible!  I needed to pay a seamstress to finish the stupid thing!  But, I have it to this day (my kids wear it now, as 25 years have taken their toll on my bod) and it still looks good.(Much better than I have fared!)   I hope that their current line of kits has much-improved instructions! — Galia, the Dangerous Housewife

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>hi Folks, >Does anyone know if Frostline (or any outdoor gear kit manufacturer) is >still in business?  I’ve not seen their ads for quite awhile, but want to >acquire a sleeping bag kit for a friend.

They had pretty much gone out of business but now they’re back: frostline kits 2525 River Road Grand Junction CO 81505 1-800-KITS-USA Dan Hicks http://www.millcomm.com/~danhicks/

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hi Folks, Does anyone know if Frostline (or any outdoor gear kit manufacturer) is still in business?  I’ve not seen their ads for quite awhile, but want to acquire a sleeping bag kit for a friend. Dave — "You have the rest of your life to solve your problem; how long your life lasts depends on how well you do it.". — From a sign at Thunder Ranch

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> Does anyone know if Frostline (or any outdoor gear kit manufacturer) > is still in business?  I’ve not seen their ads for quite awhile, but > want to acquire a sleeping bag kit for a friend.

Yes, Frostline is still in business.  Sadly, their catalog strongly resembles the one they distributed back in the 70s. They do still offer a couple sleeping bag kits. I can’t recall whether they are down or synthetic insulation, however.  Rob

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I don’t believe so.  I was living in Denver in the mid 80s when they closed their headquarters there.  I have no heard of them reopening. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >hi Folks, >Does anyone know if Frostline (or any outdoor gear kit manufacturer) is >still in business?  I’ve not seen their ads for quite awhile, but want to >acquire a sleeping bag kit for a friend. >Dave >– >"You have the rest of your life to solve your problem; how long your life lasts depends on how well you do it.". >— From a sign at Thunder Ranch

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